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C-Tzar · May 23, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Enough people were wanting to know (myself included) so I risked a couple plat on a test:

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As you can see from these pics, putting a rune on a head piece that already has the same bonus as the head piece WILL stack! This is good news for the experimentor/change up artist. One can have different head peices for different attributes and just change one peice of armor to switch which attribute get's TWO points of bonus (or more if you want to sacrifice HP *shudder*). This would be particularly useful to warriors who could have vigor, absorption, strength, and tactics on their armor and switch between sword/axe/hammer on the head.

PS: for the observant/curious who might be wondering, I often go necro secondary when I solo, but am more often monk secondary when grouping (even with henchmen).

Lymix · May 23, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

You know I thought I had experienced this myself once with my warrior, but I didn't want to say anything because everyone always says "They don't stack" and I thought I must have just been mistaken. But for a time I had a chest piece which said "Improves Hammer Mastery" and then added a Minor Hammer Mastery Rune to another piece and was receiving +2 hammer.

Since that time, I've been afraid to 'waste' them so haven't tried again...

thorizdin · May 23, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I'm not sure where that rumor came from that they didn't, unless it was related to a bug several BWE's ago that caused runes of the same type not to function in "hats". However, its been fixed for months!

Phantium · May 23, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Thanks, though I knew this already.

C-Tzar · May 23, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I figured somebody probably already knew. Would have been nice of you to say something in one of the many threads where this question had come up. No loss, though. I will actually be using the storm's eye I made for the experiment.

nechronius · May 23, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Hmm... Must be a pretty specific thing...

I have a weapon with sword mastery +1 on it. Out of curiosity I decided to add a sword mastery +1 rune to my boots.

End result: No stacking.

If some things do indeed stack, then it seems like we'll have to figure out what that might be.

Thanato · May 23, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

i had added a minor rune of marksmenship to my ranger's mask

the difference (that i see at least) is that if the item says "improves XXXX" then a rune can stack on it

but if the bonus is "XXX +1" i believe it wont

just my 2 canadian gp

SScorpio · May 23, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechronius

Hmm... Must be a pretty specific thing...

I have a weapon with sword mastery +1 on it. Out of curiosity I decided to add a sword mastery +1 rune to my boots.

End result: No stacking.

If some things do indeed stack, then it seems like we'll have to figure out what that might be.

From your test the effects that didn't stack both has Sword Mastery +1. From the OP the head piece says Increases Air Magic, and the Rune added Air Magic +1. It looks like perhaps the Increases are different in some way from the +s.

thorizdin · May 23, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechronius

I have a weapon with sword mastery +1 on it. Out of curiosity I decided to add a sword mastery +1 rune to my boots.

First, are no weapons or weapon modifiers that add to attributes. There are modifiers that have a percentage chance to increase an attribute when using a skill in that attribute line.

Rune = +1/2/3 bonus in a specific attribute all the time, shows up in your character sheet.

"Hat" = +1 bonus in a specific attribute all the time, shows up in your character sheet.

Weapon or Item bonus = X% chance +1 to a specific attrbute when using skills from that attribute line. Never displays in your character sheet, in fact you have to watch the output (amount healed, amount of damage etc) to see when this kicks in. AFAIK, the highest percentage in game is 20%.

BTW, "hats" are any of the head gear pieces.

Lymix · May 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by SScorpio

From your test the effects that didn't stack both has Sword Mastery +1. From the OP the head piece says Increases Air Magic, and the Rune added Air Magic +1. It looks like perhaps the Increases are different in some way from the +s.

Agreed.. I think the real test would be to apply 2 identical Runes (for example, two Sword Mastery Runes) to the same clean piece of armor, to see if the affect stacks.

I have a feeling thought that stacking in this way will not yield +2 Sword. And of course I'm too cheap to try it.

C-Tzar · May 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Runes of the same type will not stack. The bonus on the head piece is not a rune, it's inherent. It was already well known that it would stack with a rune of the same type, it was just in question whether or not that rune could be in the head piece itself. As for bonus on a weapon, I've never seen one that wasn't conditional. Got a pic? If you put a rune on your armor and got no bonus, the only reason I could think of is if you had a rune of the same type already on another piece of armor.

nechronius · May 23, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I'm maybe 99.44% positive that the sword came with the +1 already (it was purple).

I was already pretty darn sure that it wouldn't work, but I tried it anyway. Worst case scenario, at some point I ditch the sword or the boots, which means it's nice to keep a +1 anyway.

Roken · May 23, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

I always assumed they did stack. I never had anyone tell me they didn't, nor have I tried it out for myself. But now we know. Thanks, C-Tzar.

Lymix · May 23, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by nechronius

I'm maybe 99.44% positive that the sword came with the +1 already (it was purple).

99.44%.. I don't believe i've ever heard anyone use this percentage when talking about certainty.. Thanks for the chuckle

Norman · May 23, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechronius

I'm maybe 99.44% positive that the sword came with the +1 already (it was purple).

I was already pretty darn sure that it wouldn't work, but I tried it anyway. Worst case scenario, at some point I ditch the sword or the boots, which means it's nice to keep a +1 anyway.

lol, im 100% sure your wrong. you need to read the fine grey print in ( ) on weapons. every single weapon i have found that said blahblah +1 also had a nice (#% chance while using a skill) right next to it. so IMO, i think you need to not only read your weapons mods carefully, but read em twice!!

also, im sorry to sound like a jerk some more, but come on!!!! its simple logic that you can stack a +attribute rune with an armor peace that comes with it already. i mean really people wth!!!?? you can not stack runes! doesnt say you can not stack attributes, so why shouldnt you be able to put a rune in with something that has it already. also, if you wanna test stuff like this, make a PvP toon, its amazing what you can find out just by goofing around with that. and if you dont know what i mean, try it and find out!!!

C-Tzar · May 23, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

It may be obvious that it should (and I suspected that it would), but that does NOT make it obvious that it WILL. In your haste to pretentiously make yourself look more intelligent than those with legitimate questions, you've overlooked a little something I like to call "logic". Until it's tested, it's nothing but a guess and all the exclamation points in the world won't make you right. Sadly your post didn't make you sound like a jerk, it made you sound like an ignorant, pretentious, presumptuous jerk. Several people wanted to know, and nobody had given any proof one way or another, so I did. And all 4 of my slots are filled with PvE toons so I couldn't test with a PvP toon.

static deathbringer · May 24, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechronius

Hmm... Must be a pretty specific thing...

I have a weapon with sword mastery +1 on it. Out of curiosity I decided to add a sword mastery +1 rune to my boots.

End result: No stacking.

If some things do indeed stack, then it seems like we'll have to figure out what that might be.

usually with a +1 on a weapons , its a % based upon useing of your skills IE sword mastery +1 (15% cahnce while useing skills) meaning that you have a 15% chance while useing a sword skill, like sever artery, that it would last longer than if it didnt get he +1, to sum it up, u wont get a +1 to sword unless it specifically states that it gives u a +1 to your sword attribute. which i dont think exists

sgtcurly · May 24, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Ok...

A related question to add to this thread, that I have been meaning to ask for a while now.......

I know that like runes will not stack....

But, can you use a minor rune to get the +1 to Axe mastery on 1 piece of armor, and a Superior rune to get a +3 to Axe mastery on another piece of armor, for a final total of +4 to Axe mastery.

Or not??

Thanks
sgtcurly

hellraisin · May 24, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechronius

I'm maybe 99.44% positive that the sword came with the +1 already (it was purple).

I was already pretty darn sure that it wouldn't work, but I tried it anyway. Worst case scenario, at some point I ditch the sword or the boots, which means it's nice to keep a +1 anyway.

weapon stat +1 sword mastery is a chance only, which means 10-20% of time you may get +1 when using the skill. this is random, so you don't see it on the stat screen.

rune don't stack. headgear that already have +1 skill is not a rune, so no conflict. simple enough.

Quote:

But, can you use a minor rune to get the +1 to Axe mastery on 1 piece of armor, and a Superior rune to get a +3 to Axe mastery on another piece of armor, for a final total of +4 to Axe mastery.

you get +3 or whatever the max is. they don't add

Wrath of m0o · May 24, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05

great....then who wants to buy my 5 runes of Earth Magic that i bought for 1k a peice ?

May 23, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04	#1
C-Tzar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North AL, USA Profession: E/Mo	Sweet! They DO stack! Enough people were wanting to know (myself included) so I risked a couple plat on a test: -> As you can see from these pics, putting a rune on a head piece that already has the same bonus as the head piece WILL stack! This is good news for the experimentor/change up artist. One can have different head peices for different attributes and just change one peice of armor to switch which attribute get's TWO points of bonus (or more if you want to sacrifice HP shudder). This would be particularly useful to warriors who could have vigor, absorption, strength, and tactics on their armor and switch between sword/axe/hammer on the head. PS: for the observant/curious who might be wondering, I often go necro secondary when I solo, but am more often monk secondary when grouping (even with henchmen).

May 23, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11	#2
Lymix Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas City Profession: W/R	You know I thought I had experienced this myself once with my warrior, but I didn't want to say anything because everyone always says "They don't stack" and I thought I must have just been mistaken. But for a time I had a chest piece which said "Improves Hammer Mastery" and then added a Minor Hammer Mastery Rune to another piece and was receiving +2 hammer. Since that time, I've been afraid to 'waste' them so haven't tried again...

May 23, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16	#3
thorizdin Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Lords of the Dead	I'm not sure where that rumor came from that they didn't, unless it was related to a bug several BWE's ago that caused runes of the same type not to function in "hats". However, its been fixed for months!

May 23, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18	#4
Phantium Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Netherlands Guild: Europe United [EU] Profession: W/Mo	Thanks, though I knew this already.

May 23, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21	#5
C-Tzar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North AL, USA Profession: E/Mo	I figured somebody probably already knew. Would have been nice of you to say something in one of the many threads where this question had come up. No loss, though. I will actually be using the storm's eye I made for the experiment.

May 23, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#6
nechronius Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern Cali Guild: Herald of the Storm Profession: W/R	Hmm... Must be a pretty specific thing... I have a weapon with sword mastery +1 on it. Out of curiosity I decided to add a sword mastery +1 rune to my boots. End result: No stacking. If some things do indeed stack, then it seems like we'll have to figure out what that might be.

May 23, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29	#7
Thanato Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Guild: Followers of the Faith Profession: R/Me	i had added a minor rune of marksmenship to my ranger's mask the difference (that i see at least) is that if the item says "improves XXXX" then a rune can stack on it but if the bonus is "XXX +1" i believe it wont just my 2 canadian gp

May 23, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33	#11
C-Tzar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North AL, USA Profession: E/Mo	Runes of the same type will not stack. The bonus on the head piece is not a rune, it's inherent. It was already well known that it would stack with a rune of the same type, it was just in question whether or not that rune could be in the head piece itself. As for bonus on a weapon, I've never seen one that wasn't conditional. Got a pic? If you put a rune on your armor and got no bonus, the only reason I could think of is if you had a rune of the same type already on another piece of armor.

May 23, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33	#12
nechronius Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern Cali Guild: Herald of the Storm Profession: W/R	I'm maybe 99.44% positive that the sword came with the +1 already (it was purple). I was already pretty darn sure that it wouldn't work, but I tried it anyway. Worst case scenario, at some point I ditch the sword or the boots, which means it's nice to keep a +1 anyway.

May 23, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#13
Roken Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Florida (US) Guild: Corpse Ecstacy[Crps] Profession: N/R	I always assumed they did stack. I never had anyone tell me they didn't, nor have I tried it out for myself. But now we know. Thanks, C-Tzar.

May 23, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02	#16
C-Tzar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North AL, USA Profession: E/Mo	It may be obvious that it should (and I suspected that it would), but that does NOT make it obvious that it WILL. In your haste to pretentiously make yourself look more intelligent than those with legitimate questions, you've overlooked a little something I like to call "logic". Until it's tested, it's nothing but a guess and all the exclamation points in the world won't make you right. Sadly your post didn't make you sound like a jerk, it made you sound like an ignorant, pretentious, presumptuous jerk. Several people wanted to know, and nobody had given any proof one way or another, so I did. And all 4 of my slots are filled with PvE toons so I couldn't test with a PvP toon.

May 24, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20	#18
sgtcurly Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	Ok... A related question to add to this thread, that I have been meaning to ask for a while now....... I know that like runes will not stack.... But, can you use a minor rune to get the +1 to Axe mastery on 1 piece of armor, and a Superior rune to get a +3 to Axe mastery on another piece of armor, for a final total of +4 to Axe mastery. Or not?? Thanks sgtcurly

May 24, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05	#20
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	great....then who wants to buy my 5 runes of Earth Magic that i bought for 1k a peice ?